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		<title>By: lost and found</title>
		<link>http://www.mamaneedjava.com/2008/07/30/listening-enjoyment/#comment-11393</link>
		<dc:creator>lost and found</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wanted to toss a couple more ingredients into the mix of thoughts/feelings/impressions/inspirations here . . .

once we've been stricken with a life blow, unless we're shocked beyond measure, grief WILL come.  i'm thinking it is a natural instinct, a built in blessing from our Creator.  to grieve or not to grieve is not really the question - it's the how/when/where/how long we're reflecting on, imho

and

how different is emotional pain than physical pain, really?  

so

if i am in physical pain from cancer/broken bones/fibromyalgia (sp?)/whatever,
do i focus ON the pain and who caused it and why me? and pain PAin PAIN???  

so why do we do this with emotional pain???

ok
i'm done for now

i appreciate all the points of view on this universally known topic

most importantly, there is NO pain that Our Great God, for us especially through Son Jesus and Creative Mother Spirit, that we endure alone
for this i am feelings too deep for words &lt;i&gt;grateful, amen&lt;/i&gt;

love,
marcomomma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wanted to toss a couple more ingredients into the mix of thoughts/feelings/impressions/inspirations here . . .</p>
<p>once we&#8217;ve been stricken with a life blow, unless we&#8217;re shocked beyond measure, grief WILL come.  i&#8217;m thinking it is a natural instinct, a built in blessing from our Creator.  to grieve or not to grieve is not really the question - it&#8217;s the how/when/where/how long we&#8217;re reflecting on, imho</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>how different is emotional pain than physical pain, really?  </p>
<p>so</p>
<p>if i am in physical pain from cancer/broken bones/fibromyalgia (sp?)/whatever,<br />
do i focus ON the pain and who caused it and why me? and pain PAin PAIN???  </p>
<p>so why do we do this with emotional pain???</p>
<p>ok<br />
i&#8217;m done for now</p>
<p>i appreciate all the points of view on this universally known topic</p>
<p>most importantly, there is NO pain that Our Great God, for us especially through Son Jesus and Creative Mother Spirit, that we endure alone<br />
for this i am feelings too deep for words <i>grateful, amen</i></p>
<p>love,<br />
marcomomma</p>
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		<title>By: lost and found</title>
		<link>http://www.mamaneedjava.com/2008/07/30/listening-enjoyment/#comment-11387</link>
		<dc:creator>lost and found</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'd like to give this deeper consideration but am heading in to a weekend full of family, ergo, cleaning, cooking, serving, kissing, hugging, laughing, praying, serving, laughing, kayaking, fishing,cooking, cleaning, well . . . you get the picture, HA!

all of the above actually has a point, and that is, to me a healthy life is a very full and balanced life . . . receiving and giving freely ~ going with the flow
we can be quite sure that the Master, too, led a rather full, albeit, very short earth life.  especially in his young adult life he had to support his large family of mother, brothers and sisters and then, when being about our Father's business, he had to be the Son of God and Son of Man.  as Creator of an entire Universe, he also had sheep not of this flock to attend to.  yes, He grieved.  but for how long???  

perhaps the term "licking your wounds" refers to lingering longer than necessary? what i expressed was that now that i look back i see that i stayed with the darkness of the experience too long.  this is quite different than saying NOT to go there at all.  make sense?

prayer, thanksgiving, worship yes even worshipful problem solving, to me,
are MOST appropriate ways to deal with life's ups and downs.  

ahhhhhhhhh, but balance, blessed balance.  just to be sure that we hang out in the dark only so long as is necessary.  i like the word symbol *transformation* . . . to be with the pain ONLY so long as it takes to transform it in to a useful action.  *springboard* is another that works well for me, that is, that i touch on a pain to use it to spring in to right action

forgive.  i ramble.  perhaps this is useful, i hope so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;d like to give this deeper consideration but am heading in to a weekend full of family, ergo, cleaning, cooking, serving, kissing, hugging, laughing, praying, serving, laughing, kayaking, fishing,cooking, cleaning, well . . . you get the picture, HA!</p>
<p>all of the above actually has a point, and that is, to me a healthy life is a very full and balanced life . . . receiving and giving freely ~ going with the flow<br />
we can be quite sure that the Master, too, led a rather full, albeit, very short earth life.  especially in his young adult life he had to support his large family of mother, brothers and sisters and then, when being about our Father&#8217;s business, he had to be the Son of God and Son of Man.  as Creator of an entire Universe, he also had sheep not of this flock to attend to.  yes, He grieved.  but for how long???  </p>
<p>perhaps the term &#8220;licking your wounds&#8221; refers to lingering longer than necessary? what i expressed was that now that i look back i see that i stayed with the darkness of the experience too long.  this is quite different than saying NOT to go there at all.  make sense?</p>
<p>prayer, thanksgiving, worship yes even worshipful problem solving, to me,<br />
are MOST appropriate ways to deal with life&#8217;s ups and downs.  </p>
<p>ahhhhhhhhh, but balance, blessed balance.  just to be sure that we hang out in the dark only so long as is necessary.  i like the word symbol *transformation* . . . to be with the pain ONLY so long as it takes to transform it in to a useful action.  *springboard* is another that works well for me, that is, that i touch on a pain to use it to spring in to right action</p>
<p>forgive.  i ramble.  perhaps this is useful, i hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivian</title>
		<link>http://www.mamaneedjava.com/2008/07/30/listening-enjoyment/#comment-11385</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that general psychology deems the grieving process not only helpful, but crucial. To pray those feelings to God, however dark they may be, is a powerful anecdote. Jesus expressed his emotions over the death of his dear friend, as well as in the Garden as he prayed to God. But his prayer is ultimately, "Thy Will Be Done". Processing difficult times in life and allowing the process to run its course is not necessary licking a wound or obsessing. There's a time to laugh and time to mourn. Sometimes, its simply the time to mourn. 
I once read that depression is really anger unexpressed. I would say that its just about any "bad" emotion that goes unexpressed. The weight can feel like a terrible burden, can be confusing and sometimes even debilitating. Sheer "will power" and "mind over matter" self-talk doesn't help. Stuffing the feelings feels better for awhile, until you run into the same damn wall again and again. Ah- but talk about them, express them, particularly to God, and the wonderful thing happens- He trades it all in for a load that is "light". From experience, expressing it is a life-long process, but individual hurts in life do get more and more painless. It's not about trying to be a Debbie-Downer extreme nor the "postive-energy" Oprah camp extreme. Process, feel, serve, love, consider, move, heal.
Tell us, how DO you propose one deal with pain, if not through prayer, worshipful music, and expression?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that general psychology deems the grieving process not only helpful, but crucial. To pray those feelings to God, however dark they may be, is a powerful anecdote. Jesus expressed his emotions over the death of his dear friend, as well as in the Garden as he prayed to God. But his prayer is ultimately, &#8220;Thy Will Be Done&#8221;. Processing difficult times in life and allowing the process to run its course is not necessary licking a wound or obsessing. There&#8217;s a time to laugh and time to mourn. Sometimes, its simply the time to mourn.<br />
I once read that depression is really anger unexpressed. I would say that its just about any &#8220;bad&#8221; emotion that goes unexpressed. The weight can feel like a terrible burden, can be confusing and sometimes even debilitating. Sheer &#8220;will power&#8221; and &#8220;mind over matter&#8221; self-talk doesn&#8217;t help. Stuffing the feelings feels better for awhile, until you run into the same damn wall again and again. Ah- but talk about them, express them, particularly to God, and the wonderful thing happens- He trades it all in for a load that is &#8220;light&#8221;. From experience, expressing it is a life-long process, but individual hurts in life do get more and more painless. It&#8217;s not about trying to be a Debbie-Downer extreme nor the &#8220;postive-energy&#8221; Oprah camp extreme. Process, feel, serve, love, consider, move, heal.<br />
Tell us, how DO you propose one deal with pain, if not through prayer, worshipful music, and expression?</p>
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		<title>By: lost and found</title>
		<link>http://www.mamaneedjava.com/2008/07/30/listening-enjoyment/#comment-11382</link>
		<dc:creator>lost and found</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just thinkin' out loud . . .

why do we want/need to nurse our hurt, lick our wounds, score our dark days???

looking back on the times i did this, i recognize that the time was selfish/wasted/boring

to me, the songs that i've witnessed thus far by OtheR are VERY depressing

of course, i am currently not depressed . . .

is it best to deepen our depression?  an honest and sincere query???

and then, when interfaced w/ the following, i really wonder: 

&lt;b&gt;My commitment today

Today I will remember that my past obsessions were a way to avoid my feelings and life choices and that what I really needed was support and nurturing.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just thinkin&#8217; out loud . . .</p>
<p>why do we want/need to nurse our hurt, lick our wounds, score our dark days???</p>
<p>looking back on the times i did this, i recognize that the time was selfish/wasted/boring</p>
<p>to me, the songs that i&#8217;ve witnessed thus far by OtheR are VERY depressing</p>
<p>of course, i am currently not depressed . . .</p>
<p>is it best to deepen our depression?  an honest and sincere query???</p>
<p>and then, when interfaced w/ the following, i really wonder: </p>
<p><b>My commitment today</p>
<p>Today I will remember that my past obsessions were a way to avoid my feelings and life choices and that what I really needed was support and nurturing.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.mamaneedjava.com/2008/07/30/listening-enjoyment/#comment-11360</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad you are connecting with the music...it has been the soundtrack to some of my darker days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you are connecting with the music&#8230;it has been the soundtrack to some of my darker days.</p>
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		<title>By: repressed librarian</title>
		<link>http://www.mamaneedjava.com/2008/07/30/listening-enjoyment/#comment-11356</link>
		<dc:creator>repressed librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Over The Rhine. I used to live near Cincinnati and saw them in concert there a few times. I'm sure you've heard their version of "Hallelujah." If not, you must. It's the only version I've ever liked as much as Jeff Buckley's:

&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbZVzultvFs&#38;feature=related" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbZVzultvFs&#38;feature=related&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Over The Rhine. I used to live near Cincinnati and saw them in concert there a few times. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve heard their version of &#8220;Hallelujah.&#8221; If not, you must. It&#8217;s the only version I&#8217;ve ever liked as much as Jeff Buckley&#8217;s:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbZVzultvFs&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbZVzultvFs&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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